I still have a question… How can you train a dog that is 3 years old and 8 years old not to go out where you don’t want them to go? My beagle is 8 and me retriever is 3. They love going out in the woods where the hunters are. I sometimes worry about them because if I don’t keep them inside or keep one dog tied up, they’ll be gone for the whole day. They are good dogs otherwise. The retriever is very obedient except when she is chasing a animal that she wants… I just can’t see any other thing that will help except a shock collar.
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With that being said, there's clear evidence that professionals – those being experienced dog trainers – have found an effective way to train dogs using shock collars with absolutely zero harm to the dog. Many have shared their advice for the open-minded dog owners who would listen and outlined exactly how this can be done.
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I am staunchly anti-shock-collar, and I see no issue working with deaf dogs with vibration collars. I have worked with two deaf dogs, and in both instances the goal was to have a trigger so the dog would look to it's owner. In other words, a way for a deaf dog to "come when called". Of course it's very important that the vibration collar is introduced in a way that the dog builds a positive association (ie: good things happen to me when I wear this collar), and then stress-free training can begin. There is also another non-shock 'mode' that collars can be used, which is an audible tone. I've talked to a couple of hunters that use the 'tone' mode (but no shock) as a recall cue for their dogs when in the field. Again, I'm talking about vibration only, or tone only... absolutely no use of shock in any form.
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BTW, before we get too deeply into this topic and everyone starts calling the Humane Society on me, let me explain what the stimulation is like. If you have ever dragged your shoes across a carpet and then reached for a doorknob and gotten a shock you have received the same sort of stimulation as comes from the Ecollars. It is unpleasant, but does no physical damage. I have given myself thousands of shocks from the collars in demonstrating them and insist that my clients receive stimulations from the collars as well, before using them on their dogs. Most of our top contenders use some form of remote control as part of the behavior modification process. The range of these remote control devices is an important consideration. Working or hunting dogs may require a shock collar system with a long range. Smaller house dogs, on the other hand, can be corrected within a few hundred feet of their owners. Potential buyers should note that behavioral modification systems with extended ranges tend to be more expensive.